@dansup As @selea stated: It will affect you anyway.
As soon as you have users from the EU (which you have on pixelfed) you /Pixelfed is affected by that articel 13, since your users remain the copyright owners of the posts they make.
That is if it passes of course.

@julloyart @selea @dansup

if i'm not in EU jurisdiction i don't have to follow EU laws tho

checkmate copyright reform

@xj9 If you have a platform on which someone from the eu is allowed to post something/leave data behind - you have to follow EU laws.
Why do you think all the big plattforms send those information about the handling of the data to every user last year?


that would be true if the service has any legal presence in EU, but there is no way to enforce those laws on somebody outside of their jurisdiction.

@xj9 Imagine the words "plattform" and "someone from the eu is allowed to leave data behind" from my last toot in bold text.
With "Leaving data behind" I mean the tracking and saving data of every user, every website does nowadays.
If you have a plain HTML site that doesn't save data from their users in any way, then you are right. But as soon as you handle data, you might be handling data from EU citizen and in that way you are involved, even if you are not in the EU yourself.


EU can't make me follow GDPR or any other regulation if i have no legal presence in EU.

@xj9 I probably should also state that I'm in no way 100% sure about that, but reading artikel 13 and the eu data thing from 2018, it is understandable in that way and the big plattforms like facebook and google etc were handling the gdpr in that way.


i understand that EU *wants* to enforce their regulations, but the point that i'm making is that EU has no way to enforce this for people/organizations outside of their legal reach (jurisdiction)

facebook and google both have a legal presence in EU because they do business there.

anyone who is merely accessible over the network doesn't automatically fall under EU law.

@xj9 @julloyart Your website/server could always get blocked.

It would be a shame to not be able to access all the instances in the fediverse because of this.

@Niquarl @julloyart

that'll be impossible in the near future. a lot of future internet protocols make this kind of network filtering much more difficult. impossible in some cases.


Wrong, your service is accessible from "the EU", so you have to comply.

@julloyart @dansup

@selea @dansup @julloyart

oh wait, YOU CAN'T!

i'm outside if your jurisdiction so none of your laws apply to me.

@xj9 @selea We are not the EU police, at least I'm not.
I just live there and am as annoyed by those "We want to do it better but didn't think it through" laws as everyone who is using the internet from here or is providing a platform for sharing.

@julloyart @selea

well cyberspace declared independence from meatspace in 1996

so, we don't really care what the laws are in general


Lel ok, just because I stated the facts does not mean I like it.

@dansup @julloyart

@selea @julloyart @dansup

your "facts" are wrong tho. i have no obligation to follow EU law if i am not under EU jurisdiction.


No, I am correct. You have to follow them if your users is from within the EU. Go read it for yourself.

@julloyart @dansup

@selea @dansup @julloyart

the law can say that, but how can EU enforce laws that don't exist in my country?
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