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Let's talk about NFTs! (Thread will be continued in unlisted toots below this one.)

With so many new users arriving on .art fleeing Twitter and their support of NFTs, I thought it might be a good time to talk about .art's stance on NFTs. While users are allowed to share their NFT art on here, as Curator I will never boost it, and .art will never integrate with anything NFT related and will not encourage or promote any NFT-related content.

The general vibe of our creative userbase (and indeed, a large portion of the greater Mastoverse) is that NFTs are, at best, problematic - if you've chosen .art to share your NFTs, you may find yourself struggling to get an audience, and might get more engagement on an instance specifically related to NFTs/crypto.

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NFTs are about money, not art. They do not serve the best interests of artists, and it's increasingly common to hear of artists who've had their art stolen by NFT sites. If you're thinking of getting into NFTs, *please* research thoroughly to avoid getting scammed.

@Curator and I'm one of them! :_catsad:

It was a pain in the ass to finally get one of my most recognized photos out of an NFT search engine site for art, only to find out that it's still available elsewhere because it's an engine...
Which it wasn't clear to me when I approached them with my takedown request. :blob_dizzy_face:

@Curator Now I don't even have a link anymore to proceed further with my quest to get rid of that atrocity, so there's someone out there who not only is prolly gonna make money off of my work someday, he's already ruining my reputation by associating my name (which is still on the photo's watermark) with NFTs! :blobangery:

@eloisa @Curator My solution to NFTs is to recognize them for the joke that they are and to simply ignore them. They're completely meaningless.

@jlamothe @Curator as an artist that's getting their work ripped off and sold that doesn't help at all, since that's a sell I didn't make, on top of the insult that is having my name associated with something I don't want to, nor gave my consent to.

Yes, they're meaningless, but when it's situations like mine it becomes something else too. Don't minimize an artist's testimony, feelings and experience just because you don't personally care about what happens!

@eloisa I hear what you're saying and I sympathize. I agree that artists deserve to be credited and fairly compensated for their work, but the idea that once you've put something online you can maintain control over what people do with it is naïve at best.

I'm not saying you shouldn't try, but it's the kind of thinking that leads to foolish things like DRM. Just know that it's going to be an uphill battle.

@jlamothe sigh. You don't get it. Not only that, now you're insulting me. Don't @ me anymore.

@eloisa :bear_hugs: I didn't get the @ for this convo, not sure why - I'd have chimed in but don't want to poke the bear now, best ignore. For what it's worth, as someone who's also had my art ripped off (not by NFTs - at least not that I know of! - just in general), I feel you. It's crap.

@Curator he untagged you and I followed that with my reply.

Thanks! 🤗

@Curator Always remember, painful lessons make the deepest impressions. Let them learn the hard way and watch an entire new generation of Crypto experts evolve. #random

@Curator there is no amount of research you can do to avoid getting scammed. Anyone paying money to own literally nothing whatsoever is getting scammed. Either that or they're doing it to scam someone else

@Curator Do you mind if I share a screenshot of this post to highlight **yet another** reason people should give Mastodon a try?

@ItsMeChrisWade @Curator this message has helped me find you here in the toot app! \o/

@Curator is this flight from Twitter something that is confirmed to be happening and related to Twitter’s terrible stance on NFTs?

@reinderdijkhuis Yeah, they implemented their 'verified NFT profile pics' yesterday.

@Curator but is there a meaningful spike in new signups on here that can be connected to that change?

@reinderdijkhuis We usually get some 5-10 new sign ups a day. Immediately after Twitter's announcement yesterday we got 25 new users within the space of an hour, almost all of them directly citing Twitter's NFT decision as their reason for joining. Had another 20 users overnight, and a steady trickle continuing through the morning, mostly still mentioning fleeing Twitter. :)

@Curator @reinderdijkhuis

Experience informs me that within a few weeks/months most of them will go back to Twitter because this place doesn't create the same addictive brain fever for users. But I hope I'm wrong.

@xenophora @reinderdijkhuis yeah, we'll see. The benefits of the much more wholesome community of Masto are like a slow burn, takes more time to get there but infinitely more valuable.

@reinderdijkhuis @Curator I'm pretty active on both and I've definitely seen a lot more people on Twitter talking about mastodon. I've seen a couple convos about it today 😅

@Curator Obviously I'm not on .art but I'm glad to see such a stance anyway!

@Curator My animations and graphics, that is my "file based art", are released as CC BY-NC.
My source code is released under the GPL3.

There are two reasons why i don't use NFTs.
a) My stuff is created on a high performance graphics card. That alone is already harmful to the environment.

b) My work lives on the basis that i can use the work of others people who are publishing code or media. Others should be able to use what i publish in their work. (Within the framework of CC BY-NC / GPL3)

@Curator What is .ART's policy on federating with instances focused on crypto?

Has Mastodon had the same problem Twitter has of accounts built around minting unauthorized tokens?

@eishiya I've unfederated from a few that seemed to be set up specifically to promote various currencies, but a bunch of people also reported them for spam so they'd have been gone either way XD I haven't come across any others. Re. the second question, I haven't heard anything about that on Masto, I tentatively don't think it's a problem - at least not yet. If any do crop up though I will obviously nuke them from orbit :D

@Curator a bit late to the party but still want to express apreciation for your stance wrt NFTs

artificial scarcity? that's totally backwards and obviously not beneficial to anyone but those who run the show and want to have more power and money on top of what they already have.

@Curator THANKS!
Good to know, esp since there are so many new people joining.

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